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		<title>Sir Tim Rice: passions for American music, lacrosse and the Lads</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is unlikely to be appetite for dwelling much longer on the disappointment of three successive defeats in games we led from the early stages and ought, in two cases out of three, to have gone on and won. So let us delve instead into the Salut! Sunderland archive for another blast of nostalgia. Sir [...]]]></description>
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<strong>There is</strong> unlikely to be appetite for dwelling much longer on the disappointment of three successive defeats in games we led from the early stages and ought, in two cases out of three, to have gone on and won.</p>
<p>So let us delve instead into the <strong>Salut! Sunderland</strong> archive for another blast of nostalgia.</p>
<p>Sir Tim Rice was the first celebrity follower of Sunderland to be interviewed in my series for what was then <em>5573</em> – think of the date of our last FA Cup Final win – and soon afterwards became <em>Wear Down South</em>, newsletter of the London &amp; SE branch of the SAFC Supporters’ Association.</p>
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<p>An interview on the radio as I drove up the A1 for Saturday’s match – that’s an 800km (more impressive than miles) round trip, Niall, to put this bum on an East Stand seat – put me in mind to re-run the interview, which would have been seen by relatively few people when first published in 2000 and reproduced here, in times of much lighter <strong>Salut! Sunderland</strong> traffic, three years or so ago.</p>
<p>Sir Tim made no mention of SAFC, not surprising since he was on Graham Norton’s show to  talk about his Thursday night – or nite as his website insists – Radio 2 series <em>Tim Rice’s American Pie</em>, drawing on his formidable knowledge of US music.</p>
<p>But I did toss a silent rebuke in his direction when he described his plans for the evening: a lacrosse match (unexplained: maybe a family member or something from his community interests) followed, possibly, by a show. I waited in vain for any reference to fretting about/eagerly anticipating the not insignificant matter of SAFC v Tottenham Hotspur at 5.30pm.</p>
<p>It strikes me that the time may be ripe for an update of Sir Tim’s original interview, just for reassurance that he maintains the improbable affection he formed for Sunderland AFC back when he was a schoolboy in Hertfordshire.</p>
<p>But this is how that allegiance was described for <em>5573</em> readers, with minor changes to take account of the time that has elapsed since it first appeared …</p>
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Rice crisply: lyrical about the Lads</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>Top writer, lyricist and broadcaster that he is, Sir Tim Rice has won plenty of plaudits and awards. For his real career break, however, he was chosen as the very first subject in the series of Celebrity Supporter interviews for 5573. As I pointed out at the time, near the end of 2000, Tim had an important quality in common with others who follow Sunderland: he can hardly be called a glory seeker. The interview took place in exciting times – the second of our seventh top Premiership seasons under Peter Reid – but Tim was no fair weather or bandwagon-jumping fan, having been fond of Sunderland since boyhood &#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>In hi</strong>s Who’s Who entry, Sir Tim Rice lists his interests as cricket, the history of popular music and, intriguingly, chickens.</p>
<p>Perhaps he ran out of room while filling out his form. For Tim has a fourth interest shared by most readers of <em>5573</em>, as it was, and Salut! Sunderland. He is an avid supporter of Sunderland AFC.</p>
<p>No member of the Rice family is known to have worked in the Wearside collieries or shipyards, or grown up in the towns and villages of County Durham that traditionally make up the club’s broader catchment area.</p>
<p>But in an early display of his individualistic streak, nine-year-old Timothy made a choice that was to turn into a lifelong obsession.</p>
<p>At his Harpenden prep school – and yes, he cheerfully accepts that this, too, sets him apart from other Sunderland fans – the majority of his pals decided they would support Wolves, then First (as in Premier) Division champions, a London side or even one of the nearby clubs, Luton or Watford.</p>
<p>“I was quite sure I wanted my team to be one no one else had got,” Tim told me. “I chose Sunderland purely because I liked the name. I had no idea where it actually was. Only afterwards did I find out I’d chosen the one that was about the furthest away of any.”</p>
<p>It was four years before he was taken by his father to see the Lads play. A match at Stamford Bridge was followed by visits to other away games in London.</p>
<p>While many of us would love to see the impact on Man Utd’s universal support of a few seasons in the doldrums – and I mean rather more than finishing outside the top two or three once in a blue moon – Tim’s attachment to Sunderland survived the calamitous first relegation in the club’s history in 1958.</p>
<p>His debut at Roker Park had to wait until the heady days of 1973, when he saw the Man City and Luton games on the way to FA Cup glory. He also managed to get to the Hillsborough semi-final against Arsenal, and to the magical final against Leeds that gave 5573 its name.</p>
<p>Over the years, he has seen on average just one or two games a season. Recent highs – <em>and this meant “recent” to 2000! </em>- have included the electrifying 2-0 win over Sheffield Utd that took us to the 1998 promotion play-off final.</p>
<p>He also found himself in Tony Blair’s company for the 2-2 draw at home to Man Utd at Christmas 1999.</p>
<p>Stand by for a scoop (one picked up at the time by <em>The Daily Telegraph</em> and <em>Northern Echo</em>): our then Prime Minister’s desire to be all things to all men reached its logical conclusion that night. He announced to Tim that he was a Sunderland devotee.</p>
<p>This may come as a shock to those who though Tony was an avowed Mag. It certainly surprised Tim Rice. “I just thought it was bonkers,” he said.</p>
<p>At the time of speaking to <em>5573</em>, Tim was looking forward to another trip to the Stadium of light, with David Essex, a Hammers fan, for a 5th round cup tie (<em>his famous friend was to end up happier after West Ham beat us</em>).</p>
<p>He was (<em>when interviewed</em>) as delighted as anyone to see the club higher than at any time in his decades years as a supporter. But he says he would have been “quite genuinely bored out of my skull” supporting Man Utd or even Liverpool, teams that have come to expect to win more or less every game.</p>
<p>“I remember being very upset about the relegation in 1958, and even worse when we went down to the third for a season. But it’s probably good for the soul. I just cannot understand how people can care that much about Man Utd unless they were brought up in Manchester.”</p>
<p>With a career that has included shows on Broadway, and commitments in various parts of the world, Tim spends a lot of time out of the country. He keeps in touch via the internet, looking up the club site or Radio 5 Live.</p>
<p>He has seen live televised football when in America, but never a game featuring Sunderland; “for some reason it always seems to be Ipswich”.</p>
<p>He wants to know, wherever he is, how the Lads have done. but doesn’t fret about getting the result as soon as the final whistle has sounded thousands of miles away. “I am quite happy to wait and savour the moment,” he said.</p>
<p>Much as Tim loves cricket, his involvement with the MCC and the Lord’s Taverners made him feel like a part of the sport’s establishment, whereas with football, he’s a fan.</p>
<p>Not every fan, of course, can buy 10,000 shares in the club he supports, as he did in pre-Drumaville days.</p>
<p>But there is something to be admired in anyone who sticks as faithfully to a club through some fairly miserable times.</p>
<p>In a slightly rushed conversation – though Tim did show an impressive sense of priorities, keeping someone waiting until we had finished – I never did get round to asking him about the interest in chickens.</p>
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* <a href="http://salutsunderland.com/2010/01/the-team-you-support-so-what-gives-you-the-right/">Click here</a> for a lighthearted look at the rights and wrongs of choosing your football club</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>** Tim Rice’s career has been far too long and varied to detail here. With Andrew Lloyd Webber, he wrote hit shows including Jesus Christ Superstar and Evita. He collaborated with Abba’s Benny Andersson and Bjorn Ulvaeus on what became Chess. In 1991 Disney recruited him as the lyricist for The Lion King and a whole posting could be devoted to what he’s done since. He was knighted in 1994 and awarded an honorary doctorate by Sunderland University at a ceremony at the SoL in 2006. Read more at his own <a href="http://www.timrice.co.uk/">website</a>.</em></p></blockquote>
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*** And if you fancy CDs, books or anything else related to Sir Time Rice, try Salut! Sunderland’s Amazon link by c<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=tim+rice&amp;x=0&amp;y=0">licking here</a>.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>The celebs who support Sunderland: A-list or Z-list?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[Dave Stewart]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colin Randall has only himself to blame for being lumbered with a search for celeb supporters of Sunderland. He accepted the task cheerfully. He should have known better, having previously done a Famous on the Fulwell piece for A Love Supreme. But he persevered &#8230; It was probably the most crushing condemnation of all the [...]]]></description>
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<strong>Colin Randall</strong> has only himself to blame for being lumbered with a search for celeb supporters of Sunderland. He accepted the task cheerfully. He should have known better, having previously done a Famous on the Fulwell piece for A Love Supreme. But he persevered &#8230;</em>
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<p><strong>It was</strong> probably the most crushing condemnation of all the work we put into making<strong> Salut! Sunderland</strong> a half-decent site.</p>
<p>In one of those periodic threads at Ready to Go about celeb supporters of Sunderland, I yet again pointed out that the most comprehensive and reliable list, with interviews, had appeared here. And someone came back like a rocket to say he hadn&#8217;t even heard of half my candidates.<br />
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Fair cop. There&#8217;s a folk singer, a career criminal turned football club chairman turned Back to Jail, a North African athlete, the umpteenth lead singer of a 70s band &#8230; you get the drift.</p>
<p>But these are life&#8217;s Mrs Richards moments. That wonderful curmudgeonly old guest at Fawlty Towers who demanded a better view from her window. The view of Torquay is the view of Torquay. If my interviewees are Z-listers but the nearest things to famous people who support the Lads, so be it.</p>
<p>But then I look back on some of the others. Kate Adie. Alan Price. Sir Tim Rice. David (Lord) Puttnam, Haven&#8217;t you got to be some sort of recluse not to know who they are? And the one I&#8217;ve added since the end of the initial series, which was based on interviews I&#8217;d done for the London supporters&#8217; branch newsletter <em>Wear Down South</em> (previously <em>5573</em>), actually had a Number One hit. Step forward the lovely Tasmin Archer, pictured above and seen at home and away games galore.</p>
<p>Some got away, though in some cases the depth of their allegiance &#8211; I am thinking of Dave Stewart, Peter O&#8217;Toole, Olga Korbut and Gina McKee &#8211; was, to put it mildly, in doubt. In other cases, I was able to debunk notions of any allegiance at all. Neil Tennant, one half of the Pet Shop Boys? No chance. Bryan Ferry? Nonsense. Patrick Stewart? Not unless Sunderland starts with an H and is followed by &#8216;uddersfield.</p>
<p>And of course I know there are (Paul Collingwood) and will be (Franz Ferdinand&#8217;s Alex Kapranos?) others I should add. All I will say is that our search is not over. Moreover, if you get anything like the pleasure, when pursuing the following links, that I got from interviewing the subjects, you&#8217;ll be happy you made the effort (each item contains onward links and, as I rebuild <strong>Salut! Sunderland</strong> here at its new home, a clear list will appear in the sidebar) :</p>
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 * <a href="http://salutsunderland.com/2007/06/tasmin-archers-everyday-story-of-sunderland-supporting-folk/">Tasmin Archer&#8217;s everyday story of Sunderland supporting folk</a></p>
<p><a href="http://salutsunderland.com/2008/10/house-of-the-rising-sunderland-fan/">* House of the Rising Sun(derland fan)</a><br />
<a href="http://salutsunderland.com/2007/11/safc-celeb-supporters-and-wikipedia/"><br />
* SAFC, celeb fans and Wikipedia</a></p>
<p>*<a href="http://salutsunderland.com/2007/06/the-celebs-we-cornered-and-the-ones-we-didnt/"> The celebs we cornered and he ones we didn&#8217;t</a></em></p></blockquote>
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