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]]> By: Matt F http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2850 Matt F Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:48:55 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2850 From the horse's mouth (below) is the law on yellow/red cards so we can all argue about the interpretation! It does seem that Jones' card is for 'violent conduct' and Ilunga's for 'unsporting behaviour'. The whole set of laws provides interesting reading (for the anoraks) though. Did anyone know that you can play on an almost square pitch? And what happens if you put the ball in your own net from your free kick? Answers on a postcard. Refs, no cheating - you should know! LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT Cautionable Offences A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences: • unsporting behaviour • dissent by word or action • persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game • delaying the restart of play • failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in • entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s permission • deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the following three offences: • unsporting behaviour • dissent by word or action • delaying the restart of play Sending-off Offences A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: • serious foul play • violent conduct • spitting at an opponent or any other person • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) • denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures • receiving a second caution in the same match A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area. From the horse’s mouth (below) is the law on yellow/red cards so we can all argue about the interpretation!

It does seem that Jones’ card is for ‘violent conduct’ and Ilunga’s for ‘unsporting behaviour’.

The whole set of laws provides interesting reading (for the anoraks) though. Did anyone know that you can play on an almost square pitch? And what happens if you put the ball in your own net from your free kick? Answers on a postcard. Refs, no cheating – you should know!

LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT

Cautionable Offences

A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
• delaying the restart of play
• failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner
kick, free kick or throw-in
• entering or re-entering the fi eld of play without the referee’s permission
• deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the following three offences:

• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• delaying the restart of play

Sending-off Offences

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:

• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.

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]]> By: Vanderelst http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2849 Vanderelst Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:34:56 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2849 I'm an Iron and have been watching them for nearly 40 years. I was thoroughly embarrassed by Ilunga (and surprised - never seen him do anything like that), Franco and Kovac. If Diamanti had played the full 90 you could have almost certainly added him to that list. I realise that a desperate situation might require desperate measures but cheating isn't one of them. I’m an Iron and have been watching them for nearly 40 years. I was thoroughly embarrassed by Ilunga (and surprised – never seen him do anything like that), Franco and Kovac. If Diamanti had played the full 90 you could have almost certainly added him to that list. I realise that a desperate situation might require desperate measures but cheating isn’t one of them.

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]]> By: Bill Taylor http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2848 Bill Taylor Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:11:53 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2848 No matter how much play-acting Ilunga subsequently indulged in (and there was certainly more than enough to justify booking him), there's no escaping the fact that Jones did raise his hands to the guy and that's a red card. No matter how much play-acting Ilunga subsequently indulged in (and there was certainly more than enough to justify booking him), there’s no escaping the fact that Jones did raise his hands to the guy and that’s a red card.

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]]> By: Matt F http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2847 Matt F Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:03:09 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2847 That should have read 'rescinded' of course. Wouldn't want all those teacherly types going spare! That should have read ‘rescinded’ of course. Wouldn’t want all those teacherly types going spare!

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]]> By: Matt F http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2840 Matt F Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:32:23 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2840 Regarding the sendings off: Jones: stupid = red card. No complaint Ilunga: play acting = yellow card, which indicates that the referee (see below) either acknowledged the foul on Jones by Ilunga, or the over reaction. Cheat Kovacs: Unlucky, not a deliberate foul on Bent Mariner: Only if we know why he booked Ilunga (refs' report?), can we pass judgement on the Jones/Ilunga incident. I'd imagine the ref. booked Ilunga for the foul and so that seems proportionate to the red for Jones. Could not see the Kovacs/Bent Incident from his position so appeared to be a booking. Imagine it will be resinded if appealed. So, one question remains- if the ref. actually booked Ilunga for 'simulation' surely he would find a red card for Jones difficult to justify. Oh, Steve Clarke: Cana was lucky to stay on and the rest of your list it is sour grapes but what does the last line of your post mean? Regarding the sendings off:

Jones: stupid = red card. No complaint

Ilunga: play acting = yellow card, which indicates that the referee (see below) either acknowledged the foul on Jones by Ilunga, or the over reaction. Cheat

Kovacs: Unlucky, not a deliberate foul on Bent

Mariner: Only if we know why he booked Ilunga (refs’ report?), can we pass judgement on the Jones/Ilunga incident. I’d imagine the ref. booked Ilunga for the foul and so that seems proportionate to the red for Jones.

Could not see the Kovacs/Bent Incident from his position so appeared to be a booking. Imagine it will be resinded if appealed.

So, one question remains- if the ref. actually booked Ilunga for ‘simulation’ surely he would find a red card for Jones difficult to justify.

Oh, Steve Clarke: Cana was lucky to stay on and the rest of your list it is sour grapes but what does the last line of your post mean?

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]]> By: Was Illunga wrong to react like that? | The West Ham Process http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2837 Was Illunga wrong to react like that? | The West Ham Process Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:44:41 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2837 [...] Another incident that appears to have been filtered from the ‘everything is roasy at Sunderland because Newcastle got relegated’ tinted glasses is that as much as you lot think that Illunga should have seen red for acting like a moron, Kovac should not have seen red for what happened between him and Bent (to say ‘his challenge on Bent’ would have been wrong, because it wasn’t a challenge at all). That, along with the following list from ‘Steve Clark’ on this post from SalutSunderland.com: [...] [...] Another incident that appears to have been filtered from the ‘everything is roasy at Sunderland because Newcastle got relegated’ tinted glasses is that as much as you lot think that Illunga should have seen red for acting like a moron, Kovac should not have seen red for what happened between him and Bent (to say ‘his challenge on Bent’ would have been wrong, because it wasn’t a challenge at all). That, along with the following list from ‘Steve Clark’ on this post from SalutSunderland.com: [...]

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]]> By: salutsunderland http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2836 salutsunderland Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:37:19 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2836 Robust views welcome. Humour a bonus. Insults verging on racism? No thanks. You'll who you are or, since you are now deleted, were. Robust views welcome. Humour a bonus. Insults verging on racism? No thanks. You’ll who you are or, since you are now deleted, were.

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]]> By: Pet Sixsmith http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/soapbox-losing-face/comment-page-1/#comment-2835 Pet Sixsmith Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:55:52 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4077#comment-2835 Not the youth set up, Sam, which is clearly of a very high standard, just the attitude that some Hammers fans have that every decent player produced in this country in recent years has started at West Ham. I know I am exaggerating, but it does rankle a bit with me - as do most things. I know you have produced better players than we have in recent years. Maybe Henderson will be our first home grown player to make a mark since Colin Todd!! Not the youth set up, Sam, which is clearly of a very high standard, just the attitude that some Hammers fans have that every decent player produced in this country in recent years has started at West Ham. I know I am exaggerating, but it does rankle a bit with me – as do most things. I know you have produced better players than we have in recent years. Maybe Henderson will be our first home grown player to make a mark since Colin Todd!!

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