Comments on: Get a grip, Sunderland http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/get-a-grip-sunderland/ For and by fans of Sunderland AFC Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:29:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://golbox.com?v=3.2.1 By: John Ainsworth http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/get-a-grip-sunderland/comment-page-1/#comment-2967 John Ainsworth Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:51:08 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4174#comment-2967 The most significant aspects of this farrago are ... The current complete silence of Northumbria Police. When they assumed that they would simply be taken at their word they were deafening. The "Independent" Police Review Committee who "reviewed" the case and cleared the police without interviewing one single Sunderland fan that day. The current complete silence of SAFC and in particular SNQ. The whole thing is an absolute disgrace. Not because some or all of the Sunderland fans were innocent or guilty. We simply do not know. And if the stumblingly incompetent police never charge them they will never be able to prove their innocence. The club's clear willingness to be intimidated by the police into ignoring the common law of England - and the shameful eagerness of the police to apply that pressure.. The most significant aspects of this farrago are …

The current complete silence of Northumbria Police. When they assumed that they would simply be taken at their word they were deafening.

The “Independent” Police Review Committee who “reviewed” the case and cleared the police without interviewing one single Sunderland fan that day.

The current complete silence of SAFC and in particular SNQ.

The whole thing is an absolute disgrace. Not because some or all of the Sunderland fans were innocent or guilty. We simply do not know. And if the stumblingly incompetent police never charge them they will never be able to prove their innocence.

The club’s clear willingness to be intimidated by the police into ignoring the common law of England – and the shameful eagerness of the police to apply that pressure..

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]]> By: Jeremy Robson http://salutsunderland.FootballUNITED.com/2009/11/get-a-grip-sunderland/comment-page-1/#comment-2885 Jeremy Robson Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:58:32 +0000 http://salutsunderland.com/?p=4174#comment-2885 I agree completely and wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed in typically eloquent style here Colin. I do feel, however that the situation is actually more grave than you make out. The concept of remaining "innocent until proven guilty," is of course a complete nonsense. Citizens are arrested and charged on the premise that the CPS feel that the accused is not only guilty, but that they also possess sufficient evidence to proof this beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law. The "defendants" in this case are being treated in a far worse fashion because they are not even being given the chance to prove themselves innocent by the conventional route. The club's position on this one I have to say is not only appalling but quite ridiculous, as it has created a paradoxical situation where they can only prove themselves innocent should the CPS decide to prosecute them, and they are subsequently discharged. Convolutedly, there will doubtlessly remain other supporters, guily of no crime whatsoever who are left to remain in limbo by as a result of what can only be described as dubious police action and which has been compounded by the morally repugnant position of Sunderland AFC. I agree completely and wholeheartedly with the sentiments expressed in typically eloquent style here Colin. I do feel, however that the situation is actually more grave than you make out.

The concept of remaining “innocent until proven guilty,” is of course a complete nonsense. Citizens are arrested and charged on the premise that the CPS feel that the accused is not only guilty, but that they also possess sufficient evidence to proof this beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law.

The “defendants” in this case are being treated in a far worse fashion because they are not even being given the chance to prove themselves innocent by the conventional route. The club’s position on this one I have to say is not only appalling but quite ridiculous, as it has created a paradoxical situation where they can only prove themselves innocent should the CPS decide to prosecute them, and they are subsequently discharged. Convolutedly, there will doubtlessly remain other supporters, guily of no crime whatsoever who are left to remain in limbo by as a result of what can only be described as dubious police action and which has been compounded by the morally repugnant position of Sunderland AFC.

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